Climbing up another way, the same is a thief and a robber. My very long time understanding is that Jesus was quoted in the Bible as saying this. Also, elsewhere, Jesus said that God draws those to Him who would believe God in Jesus' name.
Today, my very short time understanding is that there are several well informed and learned scholar scientists who, in my outlook, describe investigating extra sensory mental perceptions of a somewhat similar nature built on the Christian model.
These I conditionally recognize personally as spiritual or being born again in the Christian vernacular. However I cannot be quite sure of this at this early, for me, date.
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